Bush administration wanted torture.
The mainstream media is still spreading the lie that the torture which has been occuring was the work of "a few bad apples". Well, it seems that those bad apples are really all high level members of the Bush administration. I am glad that the NY Times and the Washington post reported on this, however it is very disturbing that the grossly immoral actions promoted by the Bush administration are not front page news. By not reporting this, the mainstream media is being complicit in promoting torture.
Rear Adm. Michael F. Lohr, the Navy's chief lawyer, wrote on Feb. 6, 2003, that while detainees at Guantanamo Bay might not qualify for international protections, "Will the American people find we have missed the forest for the trees by condoning practices that, while technically legal, are inconsistent with our most fundamental values?"
posted by Giles de Streel @ 7/28/2005 07:15:00 AM
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Silly comment. The link DISPROVES your claim since (a) no -high-level Bush admin person is mentioned as authorizing anything here and (b) The DoD was going above and beyond what was and is required under international law, and indeed took the 'high road' ... "We have taken the legal and moral 'high-road' in the conduct of our military operations regardless of how others may operate," Air Force Maj. Gen. Jack L. Rives wrote in a Feb. 5, 2003, memo.
Using dogs to scare a prisoner? big f-g deal. Most of these terrorists want to blow up buses of little girls, bomb holy shrines, and destroy everything we hold dear. They beheaded Nick Berg, and gleefully yet cowardly would kill bystanders to get at US troops, Iraqi policemen, officials, and even UN workers.
Not a story of limbs of prisoners torn off or crushed; no beheadings;, no stories like the ones of Soviet gulag where people (millions) would die slow of starvation, diseases that were untreated, put into 3 x 6 holes for weeks on end, forced to work 12 hour days in frozen tundra ... nothing like the Bataan march or Bridge over River Kwai.
Nope, more like fraternity-prank-level tactics with no physical harm but mere discomfort and humiliation. Gee, ordinary people face humiliations and abuses of all sorts every day, just surviving (with horrid bosses, customers, neighbors etc.) Only snivelling terrorist-abetting wimps would get their panties in a bunch over terrorists who were humiliated like this.
And it is fitting that you use a photo that looks a lot worse than it really was - a 'posed' shot by Spc Harman (who was convicted of abuse) in which the prisoner, although he had wire attached to him, was unharmed. It's a fitting metaphor for Abu Ghraib, where perception and hyperbole outpaces the reality: That a small number of soldiers abused and humiliated a limited number of prisoners, in ways that, while unjustified and unlawful, could never be called 'torture'.
Those who went beyond rule of engagement did so without authorization from above and the article you cite doesn't change that.
Give it up. The DoD is treating the terrorists at Gitmo better than they deserve, every single day. castigating the US Govt for their actions only aids and abets our enemies.
You're clearly a Bush apologist, Patrick. Stop hiding behind the bullshit lies and grow some morals and ethics. Since you are ok with torture, I hope you get subjected to it one day.
This "patrick" fellow doesn't seem to be living in reality. Perhaps he is a propaganda whore for shrub? He seems to do the Rove-ish "qoute out of context" straw man and also assails reality with his vapid rhetoric. Really, Patrick, I think you should reconsider your angle, unless of course, someone is paying you to take the unethical low-road......
a) Alberto Gonzales
GONZALES APPROVED MEMO AUTHORIZING TORTURE
b)Your quote is out of context and inaccurate.
c) Apparently you don't have a problem with torture, I do, so we disagree on this point completely. Not only is torture immoral, but it is a very bad strategy, and does not help promote democracy in any way. It is counter to democracy, and is a tool that terrorists use. It is not condonable in any way shape or form by my government,or by anyone - but clearly, people like Alberto Gonzales who have a lot of power in my government disagree with me on this issue. I find it reprehensible that he would condone torture.
d) the "fraternity prank" garbage does not justify torture either. It has been thouroughly debunked by tons of people, so I won't bother.....
e) You talk about "rules of engagement". Clearly, the rules were quite lax regarding torture.
f) "Give it up"? You accuse me of "aiding and abbeding our enemies"? Wow, seems to me like you want the terrorists to win. You prefer a fascist state, rather than a democracy? See? I can play ad-hominem too, It doesn't really make you any brighter though......
Why do you hate America, patrick?
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